(I know I will be heavily trolled and flamed for opening this subject, but still)
(And I know I have a problem with my epic walls of text. Thanks to the ones that read it all!)
So, due to some recent 'events' in the guild, I decided it was time to ask.. Can we improve the current recruiting system, seriously?
When I joined the guild I found it quite annoying.
Months later, I find it even more annoying.
And that's because every so often it happens that I (and I think many others) get whispers from players asking to join the guild.
A normal reply would be "check the forum, make an app".
Some players will then just /lol and never bother again with this.
Some others will think it is plain dumb/unnecessary.
I for one tend to agreed with the second category.
And here is why:
The app does not provide in any way, any certain information about the person/personality of the person/psychological traits/etc. It is not even close to being relevant for anything regarding "Before accepting you, we ask that you answer these questions so we can better judge your personality".
Then, all the fuss about what the said player knows about the game ("Before accepting you, we ask that you answer these questions so we can better judge [your personality] and knowledge of the game.") is in a big proportion, relatively useless.
Why am I bringing all this up, giving it importance?
In the first case, with revealing the personality, as I said, it is not even close to being an efficient method. General result as an example: 20+ members online, only ~3 talk/socialize/buttfuck each other wonderfully. It's not like if a person appears friendly/funny/mature/whatever in the app, he will instantly and automatically be the same in the guild.
Irrelevant point in recruiting, I found it retarded when I joined, and it's the same now also.
In the second case, with general knowledge about the game, all that is great. Some of the information is actually useful and a good guide to the player applying. But it's not like this is relevant in any way also, since we have quite a few examples of people with good applications, yet their gaming experience is below average (the recently joined heavily undergeared players? or the ones with little or no raiding experience? and on the "social" side: players who use g-chat for common "lfg" spams? not to mention the ones who can't even focus during a raid, thus making most raids a pain in the ass, with 80% sitting-around-wiping-qqing time and 20% actually raiding time. etc)
It's just a clusterfuck of little flaws that are really unnecesary actually, since we still end up with average players (gaming experience wise) or not really friendly and active (socially wise).
Besides all this, it's not like we're offering people incredible sex once they join the guild. Currently even the friggin promotion system is afk for months (heck, I think I've seen Traicy getting promoted in the last 3 months, and that's it.). IPIM IS indeed a very valuable guild but get your asses out of your butts. We're not all that pro. We don't have perfect raids. IPIM Premades do fail. We do not have daily guild activities. We don't meet up in Dalaran bars to sit and drink and socialize just for the fuck of it. I think there's a lot that needs to be changed... including the damned applications.
And to top it off, instead of actually getting more players who might prove useful, we actually lose them because some are not willing to make an application (due to various reasons - it even took me awhile to actually make the app due to the various useless questions), or they get rejected just because some of them are not "friendly enough" in the app. I'm not saying we should stack every single player that wants to join the guild, and become some furor dumpster of wannabe's, but it's not like we're doing any better right now...
Indeed most of the guilides are a special dedicated bunch of fucks and i love a lot of you, but we're not some kinda godsend group... especially recently...
I think we should reorganise our priorities a bit since we could do much, much better with many more people...
(P.S. To sum it up: IPIM is a great guild. But it's not as special as you guys want it to be. The recruiting system is greatly fucked. Our guild members could be increased a lot without any harm to the guild in general. WTB more guild activities / events / better&more active ranking system / gearings / farms / anything that has to do with socializing - aka the IPIM dream I was promised to get months back when I got in! )
(And I know I have a problem with my epic walls of text. Thanks to the ones that read it all!)
So, due to some recent 'events' in the guild, I decided it was time to ask.. Can we improve the current recruiting system, seriously?
When I joined the guild I found it quite annoying.
Months later, I find it even more annoying.
And that's because every so often it happens that I (and I think many others) get whispers from players asking to join the guild.
A normal reply would be "check the forum, make an app".
Some players will then just /lol and never bother again with this.
Some others will think it is plain dumb/unnecessary.
I for one tend to agreed with the second category.
And here is why:
The app does not provide in any way, any certain information about the person/personality of the person/psychological traits/etc. It is not even close to being relevant for anything regarding "Before accepting you, we ask that you answer these questions so we can better judge your personality".
Then, all the fuss about what the said player knows about the game ("Before accepting you, we ask that you answer these questions so we can better judge [your personality] and knowledge of the game.") is in a big proportion, relatively useless.
Why am I bringing all this up, giving it importance?
In the first case, with revealing the personality, as I said, it is not even close to being an efficient method. General result as an example: 20+ members online, only ~3 talk/socialize/buttfuck each other wonderfully. It's not like if a person appears friendly/funny/mature/whatever in the app, he will instantly and automatically be the same in the guild.
Irrelevant point in recruiting, I found it retarded when I joined, and it's the same now also.
In the second case, with general knowledge about the game, all that is great. Some of the information is actually useful and a good guide to the player applying. But it's not like this is relevant in any way also, since we have quite a few examples of people with good applications, yet their gaming experience is below average (the recently joined heavily undergeared players? or the ones with little or no raiding experience? and on the "social" side: players who use g-chat for common "lfg" spams? not to mention the ones who can't even focus during a raid, thus making most raids a pain in the ass, with 80% sitting-around-wiping-qqing time and 20% actually raiding time. etc)
It's just a clusterfuck of little flaws that are really unnecesary actually, since we still end up with average players (gaming experience wise) or not really friendly and active (socially wise).
Besides all this, it's not like we're offering people incredible sex once they join the guild. Currently even the friggin promotion system is afk for months (heck, I think I've seen Traicy getting promoted in the last 3 months, and that's it.). IPIM IS indeed a very valuable guild but get your asses out of your butts. We're not all that pro. We don't have perfect raids. IPIM Premades do fail. We do not have daily guild activities. We don't meet up in Dalaran bars to sit and drink and socialize just for the fuck of it. I think there's a lot that needs to be changed... including the damned applications.
And to top it off, instead of actually getting more players who might prove useful, we actually lose them because some are not willing to make an application (due to various reasons - it even took me awhile to actually make the app due to the various useless questions), or they get rejected just because some of them are not "friendly enough" in the app. I'm not saying we should stack every single player that wants to join the guild, and become some furor dumpster of wannabe's, but it's not like we're doing any better right now...
Indeed most of the guilides are a special dedicated bunch of fucks and i love a lot of you, but we're not some kinda godsend group... especially recently...
I think we should reorganise our priorities a bit since we could do much, much better with many more people...
(P.S. To sum it up: IPIM is a great guild. But it's not as special as you guys want it to be. The recruiting system is greatly fucked. Our guild members could be increased a lot without any harm to the guild in general. WTB more guild activities / events / better&more active ranking system / gearings / farms / anything that has to do with socializing - aka the IPIM dream I was promised to get months back when I got in! )